I wonder what it was like to be a married twentysomething in San Francisco in 1890.
(Photos submitted by reader Tim K. Thanks, Tim.)
UPDATE:
Delia Presby Oliver (nee Shattuck)’s death notice in the April 11 Daily Alta.
Delia and Frank were married in October 1885.
And this may have been Delia’s house at 814 Powell (looks like she and Frank lived with her parents):
More details in the comments, which SFBay.ca has summarized.
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And she didn’t change her name. Progressive.
She did, actually. Her husband’s last name was Oliver. Her maiden name was Shattuck (noted only in the wedding announcements, not in the obituaries).
Ah, I see. Presby is the middle name.
but how does a marble stone wash up on the beach? They don’t float. Was this buried in the sand all this time and just exposed? There are shipwrecks buried out there, too… spooky.
Maybe a whale swallowed it during a tsunami, carried it around for a while and recently finally managed to regurgitate it?
Lol. That’s totally what happened.
San Francisco shut down their cemeteries and moved their bodies to Colma in the late 1800s and early 1900s. They used the gravestones as construction material in all sorts of things — I’d expect that one came from a breakwater or seawall.
Definitely fits the Colma move date-wise, but it seems like the larger mystery is how it got from point A to point B.
No real mystery – the ocean is a powerful beast. Case in point: in 1912 a storm threw up a 235 ton rock onto the northern end of Bondi Beach. Even more mind boggling if you’ve been there and seen the rock!
I guess it’s just surprising that the ocean could wash up a big chunk of stone without knocking over any homes or anything.
Think about how a retreating wave eats away at the sand under your feet.
It’s less about the water moving the gravestone than the water moving sand under one edge the gravestone, and it then falling into a new hole. Repeat over 80 years…
The part that puzzles me is how the inscription wasn’t scrubbed away by the sea, after all this time. I’ve seen many a tombstone, above ground, that was completely unreadable due to the elements.
The Chron is saying the gravestone has been sitting under the sand for years, and occasionally resurfaces.
So it wasn’t the ocean so much as the wind.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/06/08/MNTO1OUK8J.DTL
I always wondered the same thing about whales, probably the same reason.
Gravestones used to wash up on ocean beach in the Sunset when I was a kid, I assume they still do. When they moved all the graves out of the city they used the old headstones to shore up the dunes on the great highway.
We’d find markers once in a while, but always left them alone. I’m sure there are a lot in people’s backyards in the area though.
This was uncovered, not washed up. The Great Highway was built with tombstones and vaults from the SF Cemeteries that were relocated to Colma. If I was a family member I would be upset that my ancestor who paid dearly for that stone was discarded in that manner and not sent with the remains to Colma.
That had to have been buried. We would definitely know if there had been a storm big enough to move around a piece of rock that big.
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Death notice in the Daily Alta.
Looks like Frank B. Oliver and Delia lived with her parents at 814 Powell (at California).
Her maiden name was Shattuck — I think Presby was her middle name.
Seems the Shattuck family lived across the street from all the mansions on the hill. Right next door to Leland Stanford’s stables.
Think I found a picture of her family’s house on Nob Hill — three houses to the left of Leland’s stables in this 1878 panorama on the bottom. Made an overlay with the 1887 Sanborn maps of the intersection.
Nice research! Thanks!
You might expect to see a little less information on individual headstones that were part of a family lot – there’d often be a main, elaborate stone with the family information on it, and then the family members’ stones would be smaller and more minimal. Hard to tell when the stone is out of its original placement.
For the record, a couple of references to old gravestones being used for seawalls and for “erosion prevention on Ocean Beach“.
Oh wow. Delia’s older sister Hannah had a baby a month after she died.
Hannah named her daughter Delia.
Hannah and Delia’s grandmother (David D Shattuck’s mother) was also Delia Presby. So, Hannah Shattuck Holmes named her first son after her dad (David Shattuck Holmes), then daughter after her dead sister (Delia Oliver Holmes), and then her last son gets his dad’s name (William Frank Holmes). Then William Frank Holmes grows up and marries…a woman named Delia (Delia Maud Parrish).
How far down were you able to track the lineage? Any surviving descendents?
Well, to bring it kind of full circle, Delia Oliver Holmes’s daughter Amelia (who graduated from San Francisco’s Miss Burke’s School in 1940) is buried with her husband McGlachlin Hatch in Arlington National Cemetery. I can’t find any records of them having kids, but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t have any, just that I stopped myself from going any farther into a research hole. It doesn’t seem like Delia P Shattuck and her husband Frank B Oliver had any kids either. And wtf happened to him?
I don’t see what’s the big delia.
ha.
“How was the surf?”
“Pretty good. Stubbed my toe on a tombstone, though.”
Looks like this is the second stone to appear in recent weeks http://www.twylah.com/OBBulletin/tweets/199351324075245568 via Ocean Beach Bulletin
what’s up with all these bitches dyin’ in their 20s in the 18hundies?
Looks like her dad, D.D. Shattuck, was a one time supervisor in San Francisco from 1868 – 1869. There’s also some interesting history on him digging up his brother-in-law, Phin Gage, in 1867.
I also found this interesting article on Phin Gage (D.D. Shattuck was interviewed), who lived after having an iron rod penetrate his head earlier in life! (What?!) You can actually read the medical investigation here (search for “Shattuck”).
Thanks to Burrito Justice on Twitter, I didn’t realize that “Phin Gage” was the same person as Phineas Gage. Whoa!
“..immediately after SHATTUCK’s election to the SF Board of Supervisors (6th. Ward) in November 1867 he made a sudden trip ‘East,’ possibly taking some of the exhumed remains with him. ”
So happens that Phineas Gage’s skull is still on display in the library at Harvard Medical School.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/protocolsnow/3627986646/
You win the research.
The damage from the iron rod is pretty dramatic. And you can certainly see where the bone partially regrew around the wound.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/protocolsnow/3627175113/in/photostream/ to be a photo of the culprit itself, in fact.
The SF History Center has the Lone Mountain funeral record that has Phineas Gage listed:
http://sfhcbasc.blogspot.com/2009/08/skull-diagram-of-phineas-gage-by-john-m.html
“Mr. G. got up and vomited; the effort of vomiting pressed out about half a teacupful of the brain, which fell upon the floor.”
people were seriously tough back then.
This is going to be the first MissionMission coffee table book. The Life and Death of Delia. Based on 100% crowd-sourced information.
But first we have to go get the headstone from Ocean Beach. We can make it into a succelent garden-parklet to have the book launch party in…
…the doggy paw-steps kinda make it look like…”sniff, sniff…peeeeee”.
I found this headstone out near Hunters Point a few years ago.
wow, have never seen comments so complementary to a story before, ever. Great work, people!
I know, right? For once, there’s no “hipsters”, “whitey” or “gentrification”. Though perhaps I just jinxed it…
awesome story unraveling
And every one of the herd hereabouts will depart this existence plane.
So quickly forgotten.
As time passes all who knew us will also depart.
Will any of us be thought of in some manner as the once-lost headstone has for a few folks who departed awhile back?
Ruminating (mentally, not in a cud-like way) in my humble hovel, my shanty atop the Ozark Plateau amidst the hollers.
Y’all have yerselves’ a mighty fine day and drop by for some possum stew id in the neighborhood.
Do you think that Shattuck Ave in Berkeley is named after this family?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Kittredge_Shattuck
I went down that road hardcore last night (and wanted it to be true because Francis K Shattuck is a descendant of Increase Mather, of Harvard University)(where Phin Gage’s skull is!!!!). But there doesn’t seem to be a relation.
This is the best comments section I have ever witnessed.
Thank you for this awesome research! It’s a lovely way to honor the lives of Delia P. Oliver and the Shattuck family…and just because a piece of “construction material” washed up on the beach yesterday. Extraordinary. Brilliant. Thanks.
Wow. I didn’t expect this to get posted. i’m the one who walked by the stone and took pics when i was walking the dog on Saturday around 9am. I was right around Taraval St.
Thanks for all the research. i tried doing a bit myself but didnt come up with nearly the same amount of info as provided above.
Funny.. i have friends back east that are currently on vacation in the outer banks and they’ve been sending beautiful pics of the beach via email to me. I replied to all with the pics above and also bullet holes that found my office over the weekend on 19th and Alabama. Only in SF!
How did Delia die? (sorry if I missed it in the previous comments)
Haven’t been able to find that out yet – death records are either not online or behind paywalls. But I’m afraid it might have been in childbirth, given her age.
I’m having a hard time finding death records too. Records that should be available for her family simply aren’t. Could that be because they burned during the earthquake aftermath? I haven’t encountered this before, but I haven’t researched the period so close to 1906.
Not surprising — obituaries have always been (still are) reticent about the cause of death. I recently discovered a maiden great-aunt, a school teacher, who died just shy of her 24th birthday. Found a lengthy newspaper obituary about her, with much church-related activity, but no reason was given for her demise. Childbirth seems doubtful to me.
So it looks like Frank lived with Delia’s parents until 1893 or so. He moves to 524 Oak St in 1894. He’s not in the 1895 directory, but it looks like he moved back around the corner to 843 California later in the 1890s.
There are some articles about him in the SF Call regarding legal battles with coffee growers in Guatemala. (Maybe he travelled down to Guatemala for some coffee investments?)
In 1896 he helped solve a mail theft crime and in 1898 he was in a basketball league where Frank played center, and his team the Lawyers beat the Rushers 14-2.
Didn’t see any specific sign of him remarrying, but there are a few references to a Mrs. F. B. Oliver in the SF Call in 1910-1912, but not sure if it’s the same F.B. But it does look like he bought property in Oakland in 1893 and moved over to there in 1900. Haven’t had a chance to track him after that.
Just wondering if there is any relation to DJ Oliver?
I just dug up a gravestone in my backyard. Anza Vista. The old Mt. Calvary Cemetery. here is a pic
http://imgur.com/qFfda
and video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mW_Ee7GDfE
I tracked down William T. Murray in an 1870 census. He was a sailor.
Wow. How deep down was it?
My son was diggin with his new kid shovel and found it. Just really lucky – It was down about a foot. Tucked underneath the little sidewalk in back. here is a video of that funny day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMKxM-egzfU
We didn’t see any writing on it that day because the tombstone was face down. I really only thought it was a brick from a mausoleum. You can see an old aerial photo of SF in 1938
http://www.davidrumsey.com/blog/2011/10/24/san-francisco-aerial-photographs-1938
Bill Murray! Loving this thread. More please!
Yay ! my deady has a fan. I haven’t found much at all. I checked the California Digital Newspaper archives but couldn’t find a thing. I might call up Holy Cross Cemetery Research to get some info on surviving family. See if they want the headstone. Right now its sitting in the sun, out back where the children play. Not a bad resting place for it after being lost for 70 years. I think it must have had a statue of the virgin Mary on it. The inscription “Our Mother” is at the top. It might have been a cross.
Did you get an address from the 1870 census? There are a bunch of William Murrays in the 1869 city directory but none are sailors.
There’s also W. T. Murray who is a ship joiner, Market & O’Farrell, hmm.
There’s no W.T. in the 1868 directory, though one interesting thing is that directory recorded minorities — colored, chinese, etc (along with being a widow) — and one of the William Murrays was black, though his occupation is not listed. There was also a black sailor named Philip Murray. The occupations are pretty diverse, more than the stereotypical cook and porter — lots of sailors, hairdressers, even a fencing teacher.
I’ve only searched http://www.familysearch.com
http://tinyurl.com/6osx4rl
So the tombstone say
“William T. Murray”
“A native of New York City”
“Aged 39″
death
1883
Ah, 1883, whoops. Anyway, our friend W.T. the shipjoiner is in 1883 directory, but not 1884.
If it’s the same guy, he lived at 128 1/2 Silver — now underneath 280 & 3rd St.
good work detective Burrito ! Now if I can just find a relative. I’ve contacted Holy Cross in Colma. No luck. The told me to contact Olivet, Cyprus Lawn and Woodlwn. But no luck there either. I guy down in Colma runs a museum and he wants the statue. But I want to find the relatives.
Could you get in touch with me via one of the email addresses given at SuedeShirtTravel.com …
I saw many gravestones on Ocean Beach in the 80′s while jogging. They are buried in the shifting sands.
This is by far one of the best threads I’ve read on Mission Mission.
You guys are amazing. I saw this story on the Ch 2 news tonight (6/6) and came to see what I could learn about Delia; you have done it all. Great work everybody! I thought I was a pretty good researcher, but you guys are far beyond me.
Did they specifically mention Mission Mission in the broadcast?
Article is wrong, this headstone did not wash up. Washing up amongst sand, rocks and gravel would have worn away the lettering on the tombsone. Additionally, the tombstone would be smooth, just like a beach rock that gets tumbled over and over. This tombstone was buried deep in the ground, then later was covered by sand either mechanically or from waves. It is now just being exposed. If left there it will eventually be unreadeable. Probably the best thing to do is to move it up onto shore away from water to preserve. Exposed like this it will only last 3-4 years before it is unreadeable.
A bigger question I have is, how did this end up out there. People back in the day really honored their dead and other peoples dead. Was San Francisco liberal back then that they didn’t care? Probably not. This may actually be a mis-spelled tombstone/mistake. It was common to dump these where spelling mistakes, wrong names, etc were made. Look for names with similiar spellings, look for people with same names that didn’t actually die, etc.
The people that carved headstones back in the day usually did the work at their house and then would cart them to the cemetary. Also look for cemetaries that were pulled up at the Presidio. Military may have pulled them up and dumped them. If this is not a mistake headstone then there is a coffin missing a headstone somewhere.
Don’t look for the obvious, look for what was typical at that time.
That headstone is in incredible shape. Highly unlikely this condition could remain if it was always or for the most part out at the beach. It is most likely that it was recently dumped by San Francisco or even neighboring cities. If you have headstones and you want to get rid of them, the best place to dump is lakes, rivers and oceans. Given the lack of moral compass in san fransisco and most of the bay area it is certainly possible if not likely that this was just dumped recently by the city, county in which case looking into areas that are doing redevelopement where a cemetary may have existed. San Jose I recall ran into some headstones in the last month or so. They were building a hospital and found them. There was some sort of cover up and this headstone might be a result of that. A headstone can stop a million dollar project in its tracks just like an indian bone can. Get rid of them before anyone finds out is usually the response.
Interesting but very explainable.
Did you read the research above? It is well-established how the gravestone, and others, ended up there.
Nice random non-sequitur attack against liberals you slotted in there, btw. Stay classy, there, skippy.
And, for your reference, moving burials without moving the headstones has been a pretty common practice for, well, about as long as there have been cemeteries to be moved.
Perhaps somewhat less common, but by no means unheard of, is moving the gravestones but NOT removing the burials, and instead just paving and/or building right over them. I worked on a Victorian graveyard where that was the case. It was not very nice.
Chiming in from the East Coast :>) Not very nice is right about moving JUST the gravestones. Great point. You may remember that was the premise/ending in the 1982 movie “Poltergeist” {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist_(film)}. I remember how horrible it was just watching what the movie’s “real estate agent” had done with the graveyard. Here’s an excerpt from the plot: “As Steven and Dana return home to the mayhem, Steven realizes that rather than relocating the cemetery for the development of Cuesta Verde (CA), Teague merely had the headstones moved and the bodies left behind, desecrating the burial grounds. The Freelings flee Cuesta Verde while the house itself implodes into another dimension, to the astonishment of onlookers.” What an amazing comment section!
You should visit Paris sometime.
Been there a couple of times but probably not to the area you seem to be suggesting. I’m think you are referring to the below:
“The Saints Innocents Cemetery (French: Cimetière des Saints-Innocents or Cimetière des Innocents) is a defunct cemetery in Paris that was used from the Middle Ages until the late 18th century. It was the oldest and largest cemetery in Paris and had often been used for mass graves.[1] It was closed because of overuse in 1780, and in 1786 the bodies were exhumed and transported to the unused subterranean quarries near Montparnasse known as the Catacombs. The place Joachim-du-Bellay in the Les Halles district now covers the site of the cemetery.
The cemetery took its name (referring to the Biblical Massacre of the Innocents) from the attached church of the Saints Innocents that has now also disappeared.”
And/or:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacombs_of_Paris
Yes. The catacombs are scary.
To sum up: You don’t know what you’re talking about. But thanks for playing.
“I type before I read.”
I’m tempted to remove all the vowels from your post, john.
KPIX 5 news just had a segment about the story, using the top photo with a graphic credit reading MISSIONMISSION. 6:40 AM. Just sayin.
Kudos to KPIX! Shame on KTVU.
Here’s the KTVU report where they talk about the work done on this post, without ever mentioning it directly.
I’ve found that local news outlets often lift stories directly from blogs without attribution. I can remember 3 or 4 times when there was a story on a blog one day and it showed up on local news a few days later.
Most people are surprised to learn how many urban burial grounds throughout America have been dismantled, either with or without removal of the bodies. It’s a sad fact that gravestones usually have no intrinsic value, except for historical interest, and it’s been very common for them to turn up as building materials, fill material, ship ballast, you name it.
Actually, being in seawater would probably have been a good method of preserving the marble – it’s acid rain that melts away marble gravestones, and seawater is not that acid. There’s also something about the minerals naturally present in seawater preventing the calcite in the marble from precipitating into seawater, but I’d be out of my depth trying to explain that more fully.
Being buried underground is also an excellent way of preserving marble. Hence the fact that ancient Greek and Roman marble sculpture is still discovered underground, and in the sea. A couple years ago a Roman marble about 2,000 years old was found in Israel when an eroding cliff collapsed into the sea.
In Ventura there is a city park that used to be the city cemetery, which was closed to new burials in the 1940s and stripped of all its headstones in 1968 and converted to a park (without removing the bodies). The headstones were dumped in a corporation yard and eventually made their way into a ravine. Some washed out to the beach, some were reclaimed by relatives before they got dumped, and there was a local art teacher who used to tell his students to go down to the ravine to collect marble for making sculpture. What remains in the ravine is covered in sediment probably ten feet deep at this point, and every so often more stones emerge at the beach.
The idea that “once upon a time” people treated their dead with more respect is a nice thought but not really true. There was a widespread movement to evict cemeteries from cities, starting in the early 1800s; San Francisco is only notable because the removals happened so late, in the early 20th century. Increased real estate value tends to trump the concept that burial places should be “eternal,” a recently invented concept that is not proving sustainable in the long run. (By “recent” I mean the 1830s.)
Exactly. Although the birth of the Cemetery movement in the mid-1800s was a direct response to the terrible conditions of cramped and overflowing (in some cases quite literally overflowing) church graveyards. It was the norm for gravesites to be re-used over and over again over time.
I like to entertain people with the story of the Cimetière des Saints-Innocents. Always a hit at dinner parties, especially the part about the corpse explosion.
Re-use of graves has been the norm in Western cities until very recently. It’s really the only solution to limited urban in-ground burial space that makes sense, though it doesn’t appeal to modern sensibilities. There is nothing else in the urban fabric that would ever be permanently locked down to only one type of use, and an economically unproductive use at that – so burial places have an uncomfortable relationship with cities at best.
Trina Lopez, who directed the documentary “A Second Final Rest,” has a Q&A here about the San Francisco cemetery removals.
http://trinalopez.com/finalrest/history.html
I saw something about that documentary. Have to get down SFPL to see if they have a copy to check out.
This story is dead to me.
I’ve seen readable headstones as part of the drainage system on the paths at Buena Vista park above the Haight. And of course there’s the Wave Organ…
I’m getting flashbacks to the movie “Poltergeist” where Craig T. Nelson is yelling at his boss:”You didn’t move the bodies did ya? You only moved the headstones.You only moved the headstones!”
Right on the MONEY! I posted my similar comment (above) before reading yours. apologies. Great line from a great movie. Always liked Craig T. Nelson’s….first name….LOL.
The cemetery headstones and other debris was put there in April 1944. Laurel Hill had been closed for a few years and was in the (slow) process of demolition. Because of WWII, the city did not have access to normal construction material and got permission from Laurel Hill to take debris and dump it at rivera street to stop erosion of the Great Highway
http://inside.outsidelands.org/2012/06/07/tombstones-revealed-at-ocean-beach/
I think it is a disgrace for the city to be able to do that. The stone should be returned to where her body is interred.
Read the 4000 links above. The stone can’t be “returned” to where her body ended up. The body was moved.
Why yes I have read the “4000″ links. Did you read your reply. The stone could be returned to where is ended up not to where she WAS.
Exactly what I was thinking. Why COULDN’T they return it to where her body ended up? Unless THAT new spot is (now?…then?) unmarked as well…??
Because the new location is a mass grave. At the time that the bodies were removed from the San Francisco cemeteries the families (if they could be found) were offered the opportunity to purchase and move individual gravestones; if this didn’t happen, the gravestone were chucked out and the bodies were buried en masse.
If all found gravestones “should” be moved to wherever the body is at present, who “should” pay for it? It seems that many people feel like this is something that should happen (and most people don’t feel that way out of a literal belief that ghosts will haunt someone if it doesn’t happen), but they have not thought about the costs and logistics of actually doing it or whose responsibility it is.
reading this reminds me of the sailors prayer prior to buring a comrade at sea, the only part of the prayer I rememb is “UNTIL THE SEA GIVES UP HER DEAD”. Now whether the sailors prayer is only for sailors or not it fits in with the washing up of this head stone.
And I too thinks it’s a shame that not only the people of San Fransisco but other coastal cities chose to use headstones for a sea wall or whatever but it was widlely accetable in the past, it would be more harshly critized and possibly forbidden today–hopefully so.
Awesome reading, thank you!
William Holmes m. a Shattuck. This is old family. His father, I believe, was Calvin Hall Holmes. The Holmes family were California Pioneers deeply entrenched above Calistoga. Delia’s old family comes from there.
Here’s a shot of tombstones being used as a retaining wall in Noe Valley
http://www.flickr.com/photos/anythreewords/7169199755
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Delia’s Birthdate:
So, with the inclusion of five leap years (1868, 1872, 1876, 1884, 1888 – respectively) Delia would have been born on Wednesday, May 8, 1867.
Without said inclusion, the date would align with Monday, May 13, 1867.
She would have been 18 years of age on her wedding day in October.
The name “Delia” is of Greek Origin
The name itself means: Of Delos (Delos being an actual Greek island – an integral trading port and important landmark in Greek history and mythology – the alleged birthplace of Zeus’s twins, his son Apollo and daughter Artemis.
Interesting fact about the dead of Ancient Delos: A number of “purifications” were executed by the city-state of Athens in an attempt to render the island fit for the proper worship of the gods. The first took place in the 6th century BC, directed by the tyrant Pisistratus who ordered that all graves within sight of the temple be dug up and the bodies moved to another nearby island. In the 5th century, during the 6th year of the Peloponnesian war and under instruction from the Delphic Oracle, the entire island was purged of all dead bodies. It was then ordered that no one should be allowed to either die or give birth on the island due to its sacred importance.
The name “Presby” is derived from the Greek word presbýteros – which simply means “Elder”
“Shattuck” is of Scottish origin and translates to combine “prince of war” and “stablery”
“Oliver” of French origin, more obviously translates to “merchant or processor of olives and olive oils”
If derived from Old Norse (Celtic), Óleifr (or Oliver) translates to mean “ancestral relic”
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