sigh. why is news of this shit less & less surprising, and more & more tiresome?
how numb do we need to make ourselves to come up with snarky blog comments as the hood gets shot up, and more & more covered with bums, hos and crackheads?
BECAUSE NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE MISSION…
next folks will say “well, it’s gang violence…it’s a part of Latino culture”…like somehow brown boys’ lives are less important, or like somehow their bullets won’t go right through my window and into my kid’s head…?
Any word on what happened? I heard a guy out on the sidewalk say that “a couple of people” had been shot, and listened in on the police discussing whether the traffic cameras at the intersection would have caught a vehicle. So I guess it was a drive-by?
What a shittily sobering scene that was to come across on a Friday night.
The people who give a fuck about the Mission are a very small minority right now. It just means those who do care have to do the work of about 20 people compared to what other neighborhoods have. There’s a tipping point out there, but unfortunately it will still take time.
BTW. There was an additional 7 or 8 shots fired at about 2am at 26th and South Van Ness. I called 911 and described the cars. I also got a call from SFPD at 3am asking for more info — first time thats happened.
What are you guys (zin zin and squee) gonna do, stop violence? I think there’s some people in HP that would love to hear your plan. Seriously though, what do you mean by, people don’t give a fuck about the mission? In what sense? Who?
I think there ARE issues re The Mission and crime – not just that it happens and is happening to happen more.
There is a concerted tradition of laxity and lethargy of enforcement of a variety of types of law (e.g. bum, ho, crackhead, gangbanger law, per zinzin) in The Mission, partly because crime and criminal activity there are perceived as endemic and even socially-, economically- or culturally-based. Or just as generally impossible with which to deal.
Not that it’s an easy problem! It requires at least a variety of modes of solution, from enforcement to community and youth and specifically anti-gang (or “gang transition”) programs and so on, not to mention economic opportunity. But I don’t think anyone would say that there isn’t a lot more that could be done.
I mean, it could just be addressed as a problem. I don’t know what is going on with that – but the fact that none of us is saying, “Oh, this is something that you should all come to bring up at the next meeting of the City’s ‘Reach Out to Deal with S**t Happening in The Mission, Friends (RotDSHitMF)’ program” – or something like that – is perhaps an indication that NOTHING is going on!
I agree with C. — the Mission does have a tradition of laxity and lethargy of enforcement of a variety of types of law. I may not be able to stop overall violence or change what some believe is culturally influenced, but I can use every effort to ensure that for as far as I can see up and down my street and when walking around the Mission, that there is nothing lax. Usually a neighborhood has dozen and dozen of people on every block watching out for stuff like this. It feels like the Mission has maybe 1 or 2 people per block who even care that bums, ho, crackheads have the run of the street…it does feel like you have to do the work of 20 people to demand that some minimal enforcement of basic law happens.
It’s a lot of effort but don’t back down. I’ve been encouraging friends and neighbors that of they don’t like what’s happening on their street to call it in immediately. We can comment on blogs all we want but if SFPD, DPW, etc don’t hear that someone somewhere out in the Mission cares about what’s happening then they’ll just work on other stuff. Squeaky wheels — not enough squeaking in the Mission…
the other angle i like to rant about is how the folks that purport to “care about the mission” – specifically politicos, the BoS, the cottage industry of NGO service orgs – don’t really.
what they really care about is themselves.
and the poor folks in the mission that really need help – opposed to outraged, frightened, housed, employed, insured, re-habbed, well-fed yuppie scum imperialist gentrifying motherfuckers like me – are shills in their quest for political advancement.
100s of millions spent on “the homeless issue” – no improvement
hundreds of promises regarding “low cost housing” – no improvement
promises of “increased community outreach” – yeah right
@wet blanket…so of course i’m not going to solve “the gang issue” in the mission. A Paul D will tell you i’m just a shut-in writing on a blog. i have no super powers.
but the least any of us can do…seemingly all we can do, is what squee says, care on our own, and work for our own solutions on our own fucking block.
553-0123 – SFPD non emergency dispatch
311 – gets shit cleaned up
Just for those who don’t get it — what zin zin means — do a simple thought experiment. Imagine another neighborhood, lets pick one, oh Cow Hollow say, do you really believe that the level of mayhem would stand there?
There is a pretty high level of incompetence from our civic leaders. The cops don’t care, they blame liberalism, the BOS, the mayor, the DA. It’s a blanket excuse I’ve heard from every single cop I’ve ever spoken with. It’s a way of releasing themselves from any responsibility.
But in their excuse is a germ of truth, all of the best stories have elements of truth after all. Look at Daly, what a low life. Look at Newsom ditto, their actions speak for themselves. Look at Harris, has she even done a single thing? Why is she promoted as someone to look out for in politics in the future? As Jackson is to King, Amiano is to Milk. Where’s Campos? oh he’s attending to the squawking of some group or another crying discrimination.
Truly the whole mess needs to be blown up. I didn’t vote for Gonzales in 2003, but we need someone to take a run at the dems again. We’re in a bad feedback loop that needs a CTRL BREAK.
@neo – all that said, SF is a REALLY hard place to be a cop. i don’t think the SFPD is well run or effective, and of course there’s bad apples in every barrel…but at an individual level, SF cops really are hogtied when it comes to putting the smack-down on bad guys.
they’re specifically told not to confront, not to make waves, not to incite, not to bring attention, not to spark controversy, not to walk political quagmires, not to do anything that might rouse the ire of the “progressive” machine…if they do, their job & pension (and family security) is easily at stake.
(and no, i’m not talking about the irresponsible moron who shot Oscar Grant).
most cops are working class dudes (and women) trying to make a fucking living and go home for dinner without getting dead. they’re not superheroes either. and believe me, mostly they WANT to chase & catch the bad guys. too often in SF, they don’t get to.
i personally got nothing but respect for cops in general.
far as Gonzales, well, i’m all for change but i can’t get behind that dude either.
my view, we need a few more moderate voices in the political arena. maybe we don’t need giuliani and bratton, but if these issues are to be managed for the benefit of “the many”, we need more simple action and a whole lot less self-serving ideological soap-boxing at the expense of everyone’s safety & well being.
as for campos, i hear he’s a good guy. competent and considered. i also hear he’s a sleazebag politico with nothing but his own career on his mind. i haven’t seen much that leads me to either conclusion yet…but then again i havent seen much of anything from him.
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sigh. why is news of this shit less & less surprising, and more & more tiresome?
how numb do we need to make ourselves to come up with snarky blog comments as the hood gets shot up, and more & more covered with bums, hos and crackheads?
BECAUSE NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE MISSION…
next folks will say “well, it’s gang violence…it’s a part of Latino culture”…like somehow brown boys’ lives are less important, or like somehow their bullets won’t go right through my window and into my kid’s head…?
ugh. hard to keep a positive outlook.
even for me.
Any word on what happened? I heard a guy out on the sidewalk say that “a couple of people” had been shot, and listened in on the police discussing whether the traffic cameras at the intersection would have caught a vehicle. So I guess it was a drive-by?
What a shittily sobering scene that was to come across on a Friday night.
no news coverage either, it seems. not so far anyways.
is that it?
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crime/Police-investigating-two-separate-Mission-shootings-40504167.html
The people who give a fuck about the Mission are a very small minority right now. It just means those who do care have to do the work of about 20 people compared to what other neighborhoods have. There’s a tipping point out there, but unfortunately it will still take time.
@squee – only 20? don’t you think we can get 20 “caring” people just off this blog?
BTW. There was an additional 7 or 8 shots fired at about 2am at 26th and South Van Ness. I called 911 and described the cars. I also got a call from SFPD at 3am asking for more info — first time thats happened.
What are you guys (zin zin and squee) gonna do, stop violence? I think there’s some people in HP that would love to hear your plan. Seriously though, what do you mean by, people don’t give a fuck about the mission? In what sense? Who?
I think there ARE issues re The Mission and crime – not just that it happens and is happening to happen more.
There is a concerted tradition of laxity and lethargy of enforcement of a variety of types of law (e.g. bum, ho, crackhead, gangbanger law, per zinzin) in The Mission, partly because crime and criminal activity there are perceived as endemic and even socially-, economically- or culturally-based. Or just as generally impossible with which to deal.
Not that it’s an easy problem! It requires at least a variety of modes of solution, from enforcement to community and youth and specifically anti-gang (or “gang transition”) programs and so on, not to mention economic opportunity. But I don’t think anyone would say that there isn’t a lot more that could be done.
I mean, it could just be addressed as a problem. I don’t know what is going on with that – but the fact that none of us is saying, “Oh, this is something that you should all come to bring up at the next meeting of the City’s ‘Reach Out to Deal with S**t Happening in The Mission, Friends (RotDSHitMF)’ program” – or something like that – is perhaps an indication that NOTHING is going on!
I agree with C. — the Mission does have a tradition of laxity and lethargy of enforcement of a variety of types of law. I may not be able to stop overall violence or change what some believe is culturally influenced, but I can use every effort to ensure that for as far as I can see up and down my street and when walking around the Mission, that there is nothing lax. Usually a neighborhood has dozen and dozen of people on every block watching out for stuff like this. It feels like the Mission has maybe 1 or 2 people per block who even care that bums, ho, crackheads have the run of the street…it does feel like you have to do the work of 20 people to demand that some minimal enforcement of basic law happens.
It’s a lot of effort but don’t back down. I’ve been encouraging friends and neighbors that of they don’t like what’s happening on their street to call it in immediately. We can comment on blogs all we want but if SFPD, DPW, etc don’t hear that someone somewhere out in the Mission cares about what’s happening then they’ll just work on other stuff. Squeaky wheels — not enough squeaking in the Mission…
thanks squee. that about says it.
the other angle i like to rant about is how the folks that purport to “care about the mission” – specifically politicos, the BoS, the cottage industry of NGO service orgs – don’t really.
what they really care about is themselves.
and the poor folks in the mission that really need help – opposed to outraged, frightened, housed, employed, insured, re-habbed, well-fed yuppie scum imperialist gentrifying motherfuckers like me – are shills in their quest for political advancement.
100s of millions spent on “the homeless issue” – no improvement
hundreds of promises regarding “low cost housing” – no improvement
promises of “increased community outreach” – yeah right
@wet blanket…so of course i’m not going to solve “the gang issue” in the mission. A Paul D will tell you i’m just a shut-in writing on a blog. i have no super powers.
but the least any of us can do…seemingly all we can do, is what squee says, care on our own, and work for our own solutions on our own fucking block.
553-0123 – SFPD non emergency dispatch
311 – gets shit cleaned up
Just for those who don’t get it — what zin zin means — do a simple thought experiment. Imagine another neighborhood, lets pick one, oh Cow Hollow say, do you really believe that the level of mayhem would stand there?
There is a pretty high level of incompetence from our civic leaders. The cops don’t care, they blame liberalism, the BOS, the mayor, the DA. It’s a blanket excuse I’ve heard from every single cop I’ve ever spoken with. It’s a way of releasing themselves from any responsibility.
But in their excuse is a germ of truth, all of the best stories have elements of truth after all. Look at Daly, what a low life. Look at Newsom ditto, their actions speak for themselves. Look at Harris, has she even done a single thing? Why is she promoted as someone to look out for in politics in the future? As Jackson is to King, Amiano is to Milk. Where’s Campos? oh he’s attending to the squawking of some group or another crying discrimination.
Truly the whole mess needs to be blown up. I didn’t vote for Gonzales in 2003, but we need someone to take a run at the dems again. We’re in a bad feedback loop that needs a CTRL BREAK.
@neo – all that said, SF is a REALLY hard place to be a cop. i don’t think the SFPD is well run or effective, and of course there’s bad apples in every barrel…but at an individual level, SF cops really are hogtied when it comes to putting the smack-down on bad guys.
they’re specifically told not to confront, not to make waves, not to incite, not to bring attention, not to spark controversy, not to walk political quagmires, not to do anything that might rouse the ire of the “progressive” machine…if they do, their job & pension (and family security) is easily at stake.
(and no, i’m not talking about the irresponsible moron who shot Oscar Grant).
most cops are working class dudes (and women) trying to make a fucking living and go home for dinner without getting dead. they’re not superheroes either. and believe me, mostly they WANT to chase & catch the bad guys. too often in SF, they don’t get to.
i personally got nothing but respect for cops in general.
far as Gonzales, well, i’m all for change but i can’t get behind that dude either.
my view, we need a few more moderate voices in the political arena. maybe we don’t need giuliani and bratton, but if these issues are to be managed for the benefit of “the many”, we need more simple action and a whole lot less self-serving ideological soap-boxing at the expense of everyone’s safety & well being.
as for campos, i hear he’s a good guy. competent and considered. i also hear he’s a sleazebag politico with nothing but his own career on his mind. i haven’t seen much that leads me to either conclusion yet…but then again i havent seen much of anything from him.
Time to email David Campos: david.campos@sfgov.org